it is the top of the hour. good morning. i'm chris jansing. and casey anthony is going back to jail. sentencing just moments ago. >> i will sentence you to one year in the orange county jail, imposing a $1,000 fine on each count of four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served. >> and the judge just alluded to this, there are more issues here to be calculated into that four-year sentence.

time served, time owed on a previous conviction. all of it leading casey anthony, who frankly looked like someone who just might get released today, facing a month of more jail time. on tuesday a jury found casey anthony not guilty of killing her daughter caylee, in a decision that sparked an emotional reaction around the nation. what happens now? >> reporter: good morning, chris. the judge and anthony's attorneys need to find out what that credit for time served will be. judge melvin perry talked about the manpower that went in to trying to find caylee from july to december and based on those lies told to the investigators. he said the jurors spoke very clearly on the misdemeanor lying to investigator charges. and so he was strong.

the maximum, one year for each. but they now need to figure out, because of some of her past sentences, based on check fraud sentences, just how long she has been in jail related to this case. so the judge and anthony attorney's will meet. they think it will take about an hour to work that out and then we should know more about exactly how much credit they are giving her for good time and time served and then we may have a better idea of when she will be getting out from jail. in the meantime, a lot of protesters have gathered here around the jail and security is very tight. there was a concern that if anthony was released, she would be going back to the jail and the jail had a security plan in place. that there stay in place until she's finally released. she's been getting debt threats and 18,000 people have "liked" the "i hate casey anthony "facebook page so there is a lot of security questions when she

is released. >> thanks. we had expected to bring in jeff ashton who is, of course, the prosecutor in this case. he decided at the last moment not to join us but we are joined by former prosecutor. it's good to see you. any surprise in what the judge did today? >> none at all. he threw the book at her, maxed her out, and that is not hard to imagine that is something that he would do. he was careful to make sure that he was not sentencing her for a crime for which she was not convicted. he said the jury has spoken loud and clear as to counts one, two, and three and four, five, six, and seven. >> the four, five, six, and seven is the four-year -- some people not familiar with the law would say, isn't it pretty straightforward? how can they not know how much time served for all of these other things? why don't they know when she will get out? >> it's a very complicated calculation. there's a constitutional provision for 80% of time

served. there are stops during the proceedings which told time in jail. it's complicated. and then the defense has to have an opportunity to agree or disagree with the calculations. the court is obviously overseeing this. she is going to have to do at least 85% of this four years. >> there is a lot of talk about things in this case and here are the questions that i've been getting asked and i'm sure you have, too. number one, if the jury bought and at least one juror and one alternate juror have suggested that they think this little girl actually did drown, that it was an accident, could that be pursued? >> no. as a crime? no. double jeopardy attached to any transaction that arises from the death of this child as to casey. the negligence was included in the jury instructions. negligence as an alternative theory as to how the child could have drowned. the only possible option is a civil case against casey but she's got no money. >> we're told casey is in one of

these vans and she's being taken back to jail right now. there's also a question about her mom. you know her mom said, i was the one who went on that computer and i searched for chloroform, even though some records suggested that she was at work at the time and there's been talk that she might be prosecuted for perjury. do you see that happening? >> it is a possibility. the state is going to have to weigh up on one side whether they want to let somebody get away with what did appear to be a clear perjury statement. on the other hand, is it worth pursing at this point? has this family not been punished enough? what possibly he could be gained? although you want to send a strong message to the public, lying on the witness stand cannot be tolerated. >> and let me ask you about casey. when she is released, will she presumably in july or august, be free and clear? there will be no probation? because some people have suggested, given her past

history, probation would mean that she would end up back in jail. she has had some problems with the law before. >> it's free and clear. she's done, she walks out and she has served her time on this case and she goes on to build whatever kind of a life it is that she chooses to build. i've heard people say that she has said in a letter to another inmate, she wants to get pregnant again and have another child. >> yeah. a lot of people shuttering at that thought. we've also been seeing some of the protesters, susan, who are very upset, as you well know. people took very personally this not guilty verdict and abc spoke with juror number 3, jennifer ford, who defended the verdict. here's what she said. >> it doesn't feel good. it was a horrible decision that i had to make but i had to do it based on the law. there wasn't enough evidence, there wasn't anything strong

enough to say exactly -- i don't think anyone in america could tell us exactly how she died. if you put the 12 jurors in a piece of paper and write down how caylee died, nobody knows. we would all be guessing. we have no idea. >> and it was a similar thing that i was told by an alternate juror, what would you say to people out there so angry and directing it at these jurors? >> i would say you can't take it out on these jurors. these jurors responded to the evidence that was presented to them in court. if you want to take it out on somebody, take it out on the person who you think is responsible for the fact that this case was a decomposed skeletal remain case, which you cannot get a cause of death from. so whoever did this benefited from the way she was dumped like garbage in a swamp. decomp cases are tough. skeletal remain cases are tough. circumstantial cases are not that tough but in this case the medical examiner had to make an inference of homicide. she had to infer that there was a homicide because there was no

other reason why the remains would have been found in the condition that they were in. when you take an inference of homicide and you put a circumstantial case around that, the person who dumped her like that benefited from the time it took for that body to decompose. >> as we watch casey anthony come in and her hair was down, she did look like somebody who was going to get out today. >> she looked like school is out for the summer. >> susan, thank you very much. lots of political news today. let's start with president obama who is meeting with congressional leaders about solutions to our debt crisis. will the gop be willing to compromise, too. and police in the uk say the voice mail of the lawyer in princess diana's death may have been hacked. a shocking revelation in a scandal plaguing the news of the world tabloid. companies have been pulling ads indicating that they hacked into

voice mails of celebrities and even crime victims. michelle kosinski has the details. >> reporter: how low will a tabloid go for the scoop? >> it's disgusting. >> it's not just one newspaper group. they've all been at it. >> i felt so appalled by what has happened. murder victims, terrorist victims who had their phones hacked is quite disgraceful. >> reporter: the reaction has reached the british government. starting around 2005 involving members of the royal household and celebrities. sienna miller was a victim and so was hugh grant. >> we're talking about very nasty people here. >> reporter: other people named in the hacking includes kate middleton, eric clapton. now perhaps a new low, police suspect that they hacked into

the voice mail of a 138-year-old millie, whose abduction horrified britain while she was still missing and that the hacker deleted voice mails giving her family false hope that she was still alive. >> there are no words to describe how awful this was. >> it may have been attempted on the family of missing madeleine. >> i thought we were in a dark place and nobody could make it darker. this cannot be allowed to get away with what they've done. >> reporter: the prime minister is asking for a new investigation of the paper and its top executives. rupert murdoch is saying it's deplorable and unacceptable and that they will cooperate with the police. private investigator who worked for "the news of the world" spent time in prison for phone hacking in 2007 and in a

statement apologized and said there was relentless pressure, a constant demand for results. >> in the interest of our democracy and the public, this needs to be thwarted out. >> reporter: for an outraged british public, there is simply no excuse. >> interestingly enough, in america we don't have this kind of journalism yet and hopefully the american taste level is still such that it agrees, that this is just a bridge too far. because it is that check and balance on everything else and the very fabric of our democracy could be put at risk. >> that was nbc's michelle kosin kosinsk ireporting. now let's go to john boehner at the white house. >> we are not going to reinvest in our economy and help grow jobs. >> good morning. i'm looking forward to going to the white house today in what i believe is the beginning of the

final stage of discussions over trying to resolve the issue of the debt ceiling. and there is no question that when we left -- >> and that is eric cantor. the president said he's willing to put social security, medicare, medicaid but will the republicans come back and be willing to look at the tax code, specifically taxes on the wealthiest 1% of the americans. and also president obama will be announcing a program to help americans getting behind on their mortgages. we'll have those details next. and the world watched and reacted with complete disgust as the world heard o.j. simpson was not guilty. just ahead, fred goldman will give us his reaction to the casey anthony verdict. becom"you"

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security, medicare, and medicaid on the table if republicans will agree to tax hikes. it's an attempt to break an impasse. the president and the speaker have met privately to talk about the deal. let's bring in the editor and political columnist and katie is news editor for townhall.com. good morning. good to see both of you. >> good morning. >> great to see you, chris. >> previously the president said that medicare was off the table, republicans said tax cuts are off the table. what do you think? is this a critical step by the president? could it get things moving in the right direction? >> you know what, chris? i read that washington post story about these supposed deals at the white house and what kind of made me think that they are reading the negotiating strategy is that the only specific thing in that article was the idea of letting the bush tax cuts expire. that sounds to me like the white house possibly may be floating

the idea that, hey, republicans, here's an idea that no republican can resist and the two things that they want to cut, which is social security and medicare, you have to raise taxes. we already know on page 2 of that article that republicans have said that they are not doing that. it sounds to me like another way to demonstrate that the republicans are not willing to deal. i didn't see anything specifically there that indicates to me that the white house would actually go for social security and medicare cuts. i don't see it. >> they have agreed to revenue increases and here is what eric cantor said on "morning joe" today. >> if the president wants to talk loopholes, fine. we need tax cuts somewhere else because we're not for raising taxes when there is so many people out of work. >> katie, does this sound like a party that is ready to deal? >> republicans have come to the table for months with ideas, with what the president is

calling sacred cows. the president has to release this is not about the private party demonizing the rich. it's about an overwhelmingly huge federal government and they've got to get that under control. we can't raise taxes on this economy on the job creators. >> what would you say is central to the proposal that the republicans have made over the past several months? >> i would say it's essential that we do put medicare and medicaid on the table. paul ryan came up with a table. >> but then that asks democrats to give up something that they are willing to protect. what are the republicans willing to give? >> republicans have come to the table with ideas and their plan actually does protect medicare and medicaid. it's time for democrats to realize this is not about the private sector. this is about the federal government being too large and we can't afford to pay for it

anymore. >> what about that joyann? >> if you look at the seeks consequence of what was said by katie and eric cantor, they say that's off the table. we're not going to let those expires and only look at loopholes if we offset more tax cuts which is revenue neutral which doesn't reduce the deficit. so it's ill logical to say we'll look at loopholes if you're serious about tax cuts. they just want more tax cuts. number two, republicans would literally be clinically insane if they were to vote again to cut medicare and medicaid and even cut social security but it sounds like they are saying, yeah, we want to take that vote again. so let's say there was a bill that came to the house floor, how many democrats would vote for that? probably not very many. you would have republicans voting for a second time to cut medicare and medicaid and social security which to me is political suicide. >> who would benefit if this deal doesn't get done? that's another question. joy ann, katie, thanks to both

of you. >> thank you. you're not going to want to miss andrea mitchell reports. there be there a blockbuster show at 1:00 p.m. on msnbc. you'll recall ronald goldman was brutally killed along with nicole simpson. fred goldman joins me with his insit insights into the casey anthony verdict and sent tentsing. control your budget?

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she could be free by the end of the month. joining me is fred goldman. in 1995, o.j. simpson was acquitted for killing his son ron and nicole simpson. were you surprised by the casey anthony verdict? >> no, actually, i was not. i kind of had this feeling, at least in my opinion with the lack of hard evidence, that there could be -- that she could be acquitted. there certainly was circumstantial evidence but i think as we've heard from a couple of jurors already, they just didn't have enough hard evidence to convince them that she committed a crime. >> this has been the most closely watched trial since o.j. do you think the similarities end there? >> yeah, i do. i think the similarities are only the emotional value and the amount of people that were

watching. >> let me ask you about that. because yesterday we saw at the verdict we saw casey anthony's mom and dad whisked out of the courtroom. they have both been called liars and there's a suggestion that cindy anthony could go on trial for perjury. give us a sense, what is it like to be in the middle of something this big? >> well, to say the least, it's overwhelming. every day is something completely brand new, something you're not even remotely accustomed to. you know, in our case, it was nine months worth of every day in a courtroom and every day watching the insanity going on, every day being shocked, every day being surprised at the --

i'll continue to use the word insanity of what was going on. shocked that things were said the way they were said and we never thought would be discussed in the courtroom. it was a nightmare, to say the least. >> all of that on top of the fact that you were still grieving the loss of ron. as people compared the cases, i've heard them say, well, at least there was a civil judgment against o.j. simpson and he is in prison now. but i'm wondering, does any of that or maybe even just the passage of time make any of it any easier or did even watching some of this bring that back to you? well, first of all, the passage of time makes it not easier at all. it's the same raw loss today as it was 17 years ago. in terms of, does it bring anything back? honestly, no. as i said, it's always there.

i think that the biggest difference for me was watching this, that -- and the case 17 years ago we saw volumes and volumes and volumes of evidence, hard, solid evidence that convinced us and convinced everyone, except perhaps the jury, that he was guilty. and then this case, you didn't have that. >> fred goldman, it is good to talk to you. thank you so much for making the time. >> my pleasure. thank you. hundreds and thousands of people descending on the florida coast to watch the space shuttle launch. but will it take off tomorrow? and it hasn't happened in 25 years. a man gilled by a grizzly bear at yellowstone national park. the details are next. ♪

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welcome back to "ja"jansing & c" thunderstorms are in the forecast. the launch is scheduled for tomorrow at 11:26 a.m. there is a chance that there will be a delay or a cancellation. there's like a 70% chance of rain. the early morning launch would be their best bet. hopefully they will have a window in the next three or four days. heat index, already feeling like 87 in d.c. the heat is an issue in the deep south. numerous areas of scattered storms today including in new york and d.c. nothing severe. back to you. nasa, not to mention hundreds and thousands of tourists are keeping a close eye on the forecast because the

atlantis, whenever it does lift off, will be the last launch for a long, long time and that's ra great disappointment for a legendary astronaut, former senator, john glenn. >> we have no way of getting into space ourselves and so we are sending our astronauts to russia which for the world's greatest space fairing nation we say, that is not the answer to me. >> glenn told brian williams he would prefer nasa have another vehicle ready to go when it takes the shuttle out of commission. a 57-year-old tourist and his wife injured in the first grizzly fatal attack in 25 years. here's george lewis. >> reporter: rangers are warning

people if they see a grizzly to keep their distance, travel in groups, and along back country trails to carry pepper spray to ward off the animals. this attack occurred in canyon village. a man and woman were hiking and began to back away. >> at some point they saw that the bear was coming at them. the husband told the wife that she should run. the bear attacked the man and he was fatally injured. >> reporter: the area of the attack has been placed off limits for now. they believe it was a female defending her cubs. the bear and her cubs will be left alone if that was the case. they have not released the names of the couple. after the bear mauled the man, the animal went after his wife who was lying down playing dead. >> she was wearing a backpack of sorts, a day pack, and the bear

grabbed her in some fashion, lifted her up off the ground and dropped her and then ran off. >> the grizzly population in and around yellowstone has grown in recent years to more than 600. and they are extra vigilant. >> we had a planned hike. we get the information from the ranger first, where is the safest place. approach it that way. the specific campground, i would not hike with one or two people off on a back trail. >> reporter: yellowstone is a popular place, with three million visitors a year. bear attacks are still relatively rare and the experts say one of the safest bets is to stay with the crowds as the bears tend to shy away from large groups of people. >> that was george lewis reporting. anticipation is growing for the newest edition of the iphone but production problems could

delay its launch and hackers have exposed a flaw in the software for the iphone and ipad. melissa francis is joining us. let's start off with iphone 5, released when? >> it's supposed to come out in september but we're hearing that it's supposed to be lighter and thinner than the past iphones and a better camera. well, not surprisingly, the company that assembles it and makes the chips is having a hard time doing that. they've got to squeeze more stuff into a thinner iphone. they are saying that they are having a lot of problems along the way. that september date may be in jeopardy. that still remains to be seen. the hacking issue, as well, hackers get together and share information. and what they are trying to do is break into the iphone so you can add on features that apple doesn't want to you add on to the phone. what they realized was hackers could get into the phone and

control the ipad or iphone remotely. this is a huge problem and apple is saying that they have a fix on the way. >> and could it be the end of unlimited data plans as you know it? >> you know it. >> tell us the big change that verize zon is making. >> it's $30 a month for two gigs and $80 a month for ten gigs. if you already have a contract, you have your same device, it's going to stay the way it was. but if you're in a contract and want to upgrade, you're going to get this new data deal. it's the beginning of the end of all you can eat for data. >> thank you very much. the first ever twitter town hall. while the venue was new and different, the subject was the same. jobs. one of the questions even came from speaker john boehner tweeted, after embarking on a record spending binge that left

us deeper in debt, where are the jobs? >> obviously john is the speaker of the house. he's republican. so this is slightly a skewed question. but what he's right about is that we have not seen fast enough job growth. >> and joining me now, a frequent tweeter and former michigan governor jennifer granholm. good to see you, governor. welcome. >> good morning, chris. >> jobs was the big focus yesterday. does john boehner's question show what the president is going to be up against in 2012? >> well, also what john boehner will be up against. who has the best plan for job creation in america and the whole thing about the debt ceiling, republicans are saying

that if you get the deficit under control, that that will create jobs. democrats are saying, yes, you have to get the deficit under control but you also have to invest in job creation to make a good business case for businesses here in america. we've seen the structural shift, chris, in our economy where we've seen all of these jobs go overseas and michigan, of course s. a poster child for that. but it's not just michigan. it's not just the midwest. this globalization has brought a whole new strategy and the question, who is going to make sure that we have a strategy to invest in job creation in america. it can't just be about the deficit. and i think the twitter town hall yesterday showed that people care about jobs in america. >> well, let's see if they care about this and in another 2012 headline, a comment from tim pawlenty aide forced him to make an apology. he was talking about michele

bachmann. she's got hometown appeal, she's got ideological appeal, and i hate to say it, but she's got a little sex appeal. would anyone say that about a man? >> well, i don't know if anybody would be saying it about tim pawlenty but i do know that he's using, i think, sex appeal as an exchangeable word for for charisma. it's always sex appeal for women and men it's presidential and charisma. i think we've got a -- we can't read too much into it because she's obviously a beautiful woman. but the question is, what are the policies and how she communicates them and she's obviously communicating very well to the base of the republican party in iowa. i don't know that it will translate but i also know that women get tagged with the sex appeal issue more than men do. >> and there is this question that is raised again about a boy's club in politics. i want to play for you what was

said on "hardball." >> not enough women are running for office. it's a terrible statistic. and so i think we need a call to action for women to engage and to run for these debates. one of the most important reasons is the economy. >> you and i have talked about this before. what is it going to take, govern november? >> i think women are just so focused on putting food on the table and multias itting at home that it's difficult to convince them to put their toe in the water when they see this such as a divisive and negative realm career path. but the point that kristin gillibrand is making, and i completely agree, you have to engage in democracy and we so encourage women and these young

women who are not pretitle 9, like i am, who are used to competing in the workplace, come on, compete for a position. in politics so that you can help to change the direction. i'm just telling you, when i was governor, the best people in the legislature that i worked with were women because they wanted to get something done. >> well, maybe we could use a few in washington as we talk about the debt but they are not in that room today. >> for sure. i know. it's so frustrating because i think women would understand the importance of getting something done rather than just bowing to the alter of their political extreme edge. >> we should say, nancy pelosi, of course, she is representing our gender there. >> of course. yes, that's true. and she's terrific. >> governor granlolm, good to see you, thank you. ♪

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the weekly snapshot of the jobs outlook came out. 14,000 jobless claims to 418,000. as for the job hunt, the so called man session may be over. man got clobbered by the recession but they are now doing much better than women. are we talking about a big difference here, richard? >> it is a big difference. when we're talking about job recovery, it has not been kind to the different sexes. women trail men by 1 mill general jobs and men on the other hand saw a big spike of over 700,000 jobs.

that's the 1 million right there. that is not common when you take a look at recoveries in the last four decades. recovery are normally better to women. not in this case. some women are doing better. white women, if you look at this category, saw their unemployment rate drop. that's good. that's during the recovery. but asian, black, and hispanics, those women saw unemployment rise during this same recovery period in the last two years. what might explain this historical blip is not known. men lost three million jobs more than women in the recession. you can see the difference here. this is three million jobs of a difference. but even with these gains, men still lag women by two million jobs from prerecession levels if you were to do the numbers. certain job sectors have more women than men and vice versa. as some sectors rise and fall, so do the number of men and women working in those sectors. the places with the greatest gender difference is the government job sector with 9%

gap led by men. mining and logging saw a 7% advantage to men. the manufacturing sector, which has fewer women, followed by retail trade with a genders job gap 5%. a lot of numbers here, chris, and they simply show that the gender gap has widened, erasing some of the gains that women made years ago. >> richard lui, thanks. a new merit poll that a growing number of workers don't have faith in their companies' leaders. 25% employees have less trust in management than they did last year and 12% believe that their employer generally listen os to and cares about their employees and 10% say that they trust management to make a decision.

what does this mean? >> if you look at the beginning of the decade, we had all of these scams, like world comm and enron and there were issues of big bonuses, going on nice trips, that sort of thing. this is the sort of thing that created a divide among labor and management. >> and you also point out that values play a large role in this trust equation. for example, in situations where management trust is stronger than last year, nearly 31% of respondents said their personal values were consistent with their company's value. what kind of values are people talking about? >> well, what is interesting about that, when you think about that, think about your own job. if you were to come here to msnbc and find that the company was completely at opposite ends of your own personal vau us and things important to you, how

good could you do your job? and we look at these kinds of things and say that people have different values. we find that most people, things like integrity, putting customers first and in a difficult economy, sometimes that's difficult to do because people are focused on getting the most productivity out of their workers. >> another thing that i noticed was that a lot of people who normally would have switched jobs, let's say suddenly they find themselves at odds with their boss, with their company, would have gone but they are afraid because then you are low man on the totem pole. could that play a part in this? >> absolutely. when you look at employment engagement, employee satisfaction, we've found that it's continuing to go down. some of that is what you described.

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addition to the series. he will act as michael scott's creepy boss, the ceo of the parent company. finally, we know natalie portman's baby's name. it's aleph. now packed with potter fans, despite a forecast for torrential rain, waiting for the premier of the last harry potter movie. closing out an era. the actors say that they will wear waterproof suits. running of the bulls has started. the bulls and thousands of brave span yards went through the town in a mad dash and four people were taken to the hospital. this is an unbelievable story of survival. a five-week-old kitten was thrown out of a car and an animal control officer saw the

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